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- Actually, I was looking at voter turnout from last year's primaries and they weren't much higher than this year's. Off-year primary elections don't tend to draw very many voters to the polls from either party.
- comment Robert
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- Actually, I was looking at voter turnout from last year's primaries and they weren't much higher than this year's. Off-year primary elections don't tend to draw very many voters to the polls from either party.
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- George Allen is a proven leader who has been twice elected statewide in Virginia. Jim Webb hasn't proven squat today.
Two words people need to keep in mind for November. Marriage Amendment.
However you feel about it, it will be on the ballot this fall and it will have an impact on the race.
Lots more fun to come in the months ahead.
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- Not just the Marriage Amendment but issues in general. Webb can prove to be as "progressive" as he wants, but why would Republican's suddenly support a Republican light in Webb over a proven Republican in Allen? And what's to inspire the Dems to come out? A lukewarm candidate that's going to vote against their ideals 80% of the time?
Miller was the better candidate.
- comment Shaun Kenney
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- Yep, but look at what we get to do now:
(1) Allen gets to stomp an anti-war John Kerry-style Republican turned Democrat
(2) Allen gets to shore up his conservative (Jeffersonian that is) credentials.
(3) Webb is a national name, and Allen beating him will be a national springboard into 2008.
(4) Webb has the worst campaign ever, and the DSCC won't give him enough to beat Allen, much less compete.
(5) This is George Allen folks -- there is no better candidate we could field in Virginia for anything. Against Webb? C'mon...
(6) And here's the best part: Webb has angered so many minority voters that Allen has a real chance of bringing the conservative message of entrepreneurship, low taxes, and free enterprise to people who otherwise may not care. We have a real shot to build a coalition folks -- breathe some new life into the conservative movement by incorporating the best ideas of the African-Americans and Hispanic communities.
I can't wait. Webb is going to be mauled by the Allen machine, and it's *not* going to be pretty.
Warm up the diesel -- Here comes the A-Team!
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- I don't want to say much - just that you guys have a very low understanding of how the Democratic party works.
If you think base turnout will be a problem against GEORGE ALLEN in this electoral climate...then I don't know what to say.
I just hope more people take Webb lightly.
- comment Shaun Kenney
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- ... and if you think for a moment that the GOP is going to take this election lightly, you have no idea how the Republican Party of Virginia works.
Republicans of all stripes are going to send Allen off in style.
You'll remember this on November 8th when Webb loses 60-40% and you're wondering what the heck happened to your momentum you had in June... the Virginia Republican Party is going to mobilize off of this election in a way you would not believe.
Get ready! The A-Team's comin'!
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- VC is right. The entire Democratic base will be out in force come November. People know that this is a crucial year and that if we play our cards right, it could potentially be our 1994.
Second, if you think Allen is so strong, look at the few polls released in April and May that had him leading Jim Webb (who may as well be "unnamed Democrat" to many voters) by only about 7 points in a hypothetical matchup.
Allen is MUCH weaker than you guys want to believe.
But keep going with the overconfidence. Allen can stay in Iowa for 5 months and watch his Senate seat slip away. It would certainly be better for Virginia if that happened. Allen has accomplished nothing as a Senator besides going on Meet the Press and touting President "Mr. Popularity" Bush's ideas. Find me meaningful, groundbreaking legislation Allen has patroned that benefits his constituents. There ain't much of it.
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- Last poll I saw showed a 15 point lead regardless of whether it was Miller or Webb.
But who am I to share poll numbers?
Keep dreaming folks -- Allen is invincible in Virginia. I think you guys seriously underestimate (misunderestimate?) how much Virginia Republicans are universally willing to work and work hard for George Allen.
- comment Jason Kenney
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- Dems think they know the way Virginia Republicans think based off of Kilgore's numbers last year. Let them keep thinking that. It'll make Allen's margin of victory that much wider.
- comment GOPHokie
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- Sorry to get in the middle of the lovefest guys, but I am not super excited.
I do not think for a minute the dems will have any problem circling the wagons with Webb.
As for us, the best thing that could happen is a poll to come out now that showed the race close.
Too many people are more worried about voting for George Allen in 2008, not 2006.
"you have no idea how the Republican Party of Virginia works"
Neither does anyone else.
- comment Shaun Kenney
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- Ah, don't be so down on RPV.
You'll see plenty of people turn out to volunteer for Allen, most importantly because we all know he has presidential aspirations.
Heck, most of the GOP Women's Units will work harder for Susan than they will for George (and you know that's true, too)!
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- Allen has sponsered A bill to amend title 10, United States Code, to increase the death gratuity payable with respect to deceased members of the Armed Forces, and for other purposes.
Considering all of the Military in VA, I think this is meaningful, and helpful to his constiuents.
If you would like to see more, go here:
http://allen.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=LegislativeOffice.SponsoredLegislation
Can you tell me some meaningful legislatiosn the Webb sponsered for his "folks"
At least he served in Vietnam. That will carry the day. I hope I don't hear it like I did for Kerry
My prediction: Allen 56, Webb 44
- comment IsisDC
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- I don't see much difference between Webb and Allen as they are both Republican.
Webb is against Affirmative Action
Webb supports the don't ask don't for gays in the military.
Both Allen and Webb are probably about the same on guns rights (Webb maybe a little worse)
I don't think Webb will generate enough from his base, and the average Democrat isn't rabid on Allen as Allen isn't another "Santoum".
I found it interesting that the 15 minutes of famed latest pop stars of the sleazy political bubba gadfly scene who were in charge of the Webb campaign in the SW part of the state didn't do very well, as Harris did much better than Webb. *grin*
What the Webb people might not be aware of is that Harris Miller is actually a nice man who ran a gentleman's campaign.
Allen has the tools, the taste for blood and not to mention the incumbency.
Unless something really earth shattering happens, I will agree with Mark Gardner's numbers.
- comment Virginia Centrist
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- First of all, let me agree STRONGLY with you that Allen historically united both the moderate and right-wing factions of the GOP.
Secondly, while Ben points out that Allen isn't UBER-POPULAR (approval rating between 48% and 55%) - about 40% of his approval is STRONG approval. Republicans love George Allen. That doesn't give Democrats much wiggle room. And that's why it was important that we nominated a wedge candidate who could weaken Allen's support amongst moderates.
Finally - Shaun, your 60% prediction is frankly a bad sign for the party. If others are thinking like you, then you're in trouble.
We're talking about a landmark election where the GOP base is depressed and the Dems smell blood.
We're talking about a celebrity candidate who has proven that he can draw tons of free media.
And we're talking about a candidate who is basically a Bush clone in a state where Bush polls at 35%.
And you're telling me that George Allen will win over 15% of Kaine's voters??? Against an avowed moderate who has the right positions (for 2006) on the war and the new economy?
It's hard to believe. Webb could just put his name on the ballot, and he'd get 43%...if not more...
I think Webb will hit a really hard ceiling at about 51%, and it's going to be tough to get there. But this will be a race...
PS: John Warner is the best candidate the GOP can put up statewide, not George Allen.
- comment IsisDC
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- I think 60% is a good and fair number being that Virginia is not as red as some on both the Democrat and Republican sides might think it is.
I have really started to think that Va is more of a "pink" state.
I think VA really always votes in about a 60%-40% (give or take a few and depends on who is running)
I would like to see good Democrat representation from VA on The Hill, but I am not convinced Webb actually is a Democrat and George Allen doesn't offend me enough to support an iffy and questionable Dem who ran such a sleazy primary campaign.
The one thing that will bring me out to vote is to vote against the marriage amendment.
But, at this point I might just skip over voting for anyone for the senate seat.
- comment Virginia Centrist
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- "to support an iffy and questionable Dem who ran such a sleazy primary campaign."
What in the hell are you talking about?!?!?!
Webb didn't even have enough money to do what you're accusing him of...
Please tell me you're just some Republican troll...
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- I'm guessing by November most of the anger by the local democrat faithful who were trashed by out-of-state democrat leftist activists and their willing accomplices in the virginia blogospher will be healed over.
But it's not a figment of the imagination, as can be seen by Beyer pulling the fundraiser for DSCC for their "support" of Webb in the primary.
But the democrat base can't elect a candidate in this state. They aren't the majority.
The republican base will certainly support Allen. And those who don't care about party won't vote for Webb to "stick it to the republican party".
I'm guessing 55-45, Allen, unless Webb is still as bad at this in October as he is today.
Webb isn't as good a candidate as Tim Kaine was (Are there ANY willing to argue THAT point?)
Allen is a MUCH better candidate than Kilgore was (Anybody want to argue THAT point)?
And given the multiple flaps about anti-semitism and other slurs which were (fairly or unfairly) attached to the Webb campaign, it seems the WEBB side is much more likely to end up with troubles like the "Hitler" ad of 2005 than Allen's side.
And republicans have the secret weapon of MoveOn, who is angering the military and military-supporting civilian families in the 2nd district by attacking companies that employ thousands of voters there while providing weapons and support to our troops. They can't be controlled, and they are very capable of running a "hitler" ad.
I mean, they are attacking Drake for taking some money from Halliburton when her Democrat opponent has major stock holdings in the company.
I'm going to like this race much more than I would have liked a Miller-Allen race.
- comment IsisDC
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- Nice try, but no. I am about as socially liberal as they come.
If you think Webb is your dream of a real Dem candidate, then go ahead and vote for him.
But, as I told Al Eisenberg last night, I will never cast a vote for Webb.
I stand behind my principles before I stand behind a flip flop political party.
You're a "centrist"?
Well, I am a "liberal" and will not vote "centrist".
Just because some joker has a *D* next to his name does not mean I will vote for him.
If Allen went pro-gay rights, solidly pro-choice, and anti-war, I would for him.
As it is, I don't give a hoot who is running.
If they don't stand for the principles that are important to me, I won't vote for them.
Keep your party, if there is a Green Party hat in the ring, I will vote for them.
But as it stands I will be voting on and for anything and anyone else in the election, but I will not vote on the Senate seat this time around.
I am coming out to support gay marriage rights.
- comment Shaun Kenney
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- Webb didn't even have enough money to do what you're accusing him of...
Webb didn't, but his blogger friends certainly had plenty of spare time.
What's that proverb about idle hands???
- comment IsisDC
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- Shaun- you are forgetting to mention his sleazeball "Mudrat" in Roanoke.
Yellow-mut Dixiecrats can kiss my spicy arse!
Give me the party of civil rights!
Society is getting too ugly to let it go back to the time when Democrats were once the party of hate.
NEVER AGAIN!
- comment Shaun Kenney
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- You know Isis, you bring up a great point, one I've been meaning to talk about for a long time.
Robert Kennedy ran for president in 1968 on liberal values, his brother's progress and legacy, when Democrats were more about true liberalism rather than socialism at all costs.
He was speaking at a rally somewhere, and he spoke vividly of liberal values, of liberal ideals, of what it meant to be a liberal and why we should be proud to uphold liberalism in the face of opposition...
That's a leader and a party I can respect!
What do we get today? Liberal today doesn't mean what it meant 40 years ago. Would RFK or JFK look at the Democratic Party and be proud, or would the look at it and go "oh my God, what the hell happened?"
Liberalism used to mean something idealistic. Now it's been butchered and vivisected into some mealymouth "progressive" label bent on stereotyping into "them" and "us" -- the exact opposite of what Kennedy and MLK Jr. envisioned.
Liberalism used to be in the tradition of Disraeli and Jefferson. Liberalism by definition meant freedom, but not license and certainly not a government telling people what was and what was not moral.
Has anyone here seen my old friend John? Can you tell me where he's gone?
- comment Virginia Centrist
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- Shaun, again you advocate a suicidal strategy! I too would admire a Republican party that ran proud right-wing social conservatives. I would admire them all the way to the polls while I laughed and choked on my drink.
Isis:
You are not a Democrat. You have no business even speaking to a great guy like Al Eisenberg, let alone claiming to be a democrat.
Anyone who even contemplates voting for the Green party is not a Democrat. All 1.1% of you...
- comment IsisDC
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- Shaun- I KNOW! I grew up watching my rights as a female expand.
Now, I am watching those rights being taken away from my daughter's future.
I will not be bashful about blaming you Repubs for much of this.
But, it is even more of a smack in the face when your own party will turn their back on it's base to play finger in the wind just because they want to play count the D's.
Those D's mean NOTHING if that *D* will not support everything MLK, JFK and the feminist movement stood for.
And let me throw this into the mix for good measure....what did those *D's* do when Roberts and Alito were being wisked into their nominations with no voice on The Hill to stand up for those of us who have worked so hard for those civil rights???
I am supposed to trust some clown who has a hardcore record of supporting Republicans who had records of being anti-choice, anti-gay and minority rights and pro-war?
WHY??
Is just having that *D* in office the goal when our voices and concerns don't mean squat??
- comment Shaun Kenney
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- Moderation for the sake of being moderate is not a winning strategy at all.
Gotta stand for something. That's why Dems running to the middle screaming are so fun to watch. They quit their principles, and voters punished them accordingly.
Now, bankrupt and adrift, they look for something else to hang their hat on, desperate for any victory whatsoever.
And that's how Republicans like Webb win Democratic nominations for U.S. Senate.
- comment IsisDC
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- V.C.- you have a very interesting way of demanding who can talk to who or about what?
I guess you are walking talking proof that the Democrat party of Va has become a terrible atmosphere.
I have known Al for years and I had helped out with my photography services for no charge to Democrat campaigns who stand for what I believe.
So, basically, I will vote, call myself and talk to whoever and whatever I choose without some brainwashed party animal trying to bully me otherwise.
- comment Mark Gardner
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- Allen is promilitary, prolife, pro border enforcement, pro marriage.
Those 4 points alone will carry the day.
If it was Warner running this year, I would not vote for him based on his vote of the amnesty bill the senate passed. I'm actually never going to vote for him again. That issue is too important to me.
I still haven't forgiven Barry Bonds for chocking in the Playoffs and handing the games to the Braves. I've never forgiven O'donnell for throwing 2 int's in the SB vs the Cowboys.
I'm certainly not going to get over handing the keys of the city to neighbors who tresspass. Allen rightfully is for enforcement force.
Talk all you want, but this WILL be a major issue in November. The Conservative Republicans better stand up and get thier message out. If we lose a few RINO's along the way. Good. They don't deserve the *R*
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- Mark's right...
- comment IsisDC
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- Mark- Same way I feel about "DINO's"
Screw'm
If Webb tanks then good, so be it.
I call that a good message to the party that we won't stand for this nonsense.
- comment IsisDC
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- And BTW-
Si Se Puede!!
Reforma Migratoria Ahora!!
*hee*
*smooooch*
- comment Lovell Reiley
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- George Allen has to defend the status quo at a time when a lot of folks want change in Washington. Webb won't be constrained in attacking K Street and special interests and their control of policy on the Hill like Miller would have been.
No one has ever used things like George's vote against the Federal Family Leave Act and his veto of consumer and safety laws as Governor against him effectively. This stuff can be used to drive the gender gap. Perhaps Webb will be smart enough not to focus all his energy on white men and will talk directly to women voters.
The so-called marriage amendment is overrated for its turnout potential for Allen. Folks get that there are many more important issues right now, and Allen's stuck with defending a poor record on many of them (security included). I think the time when you can wind up zealots and win an election may be over. Virginians are again about one third D's, one third R's and one third I's. Hate to disappoint you partisans, but it's the Independents who will decide this election as they did in Kaine's race.
And, I personally know a number of moderate R's who went to the polls yesterday to vote for Webb so that they'd have someone to vote for other than Allen. That will probably make Isis crazy but the fact is that right or left of center is what wins elections. Swing too far one way or the other and you lose.
George is in for a bumpy ride. You all have defined anything over 40% for Webb as victory.
- comment Virginia Centrist
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- Shaun, I thought we agreed a while back that the debate in Virginia is between the Center and the Right.
If we run a liberal candidate, then we're a bit out of place.
I know you hate the idea of moderate candidates, but this is a conservative state. In that sense, Webb fits in on the left side of the debate, while Allen fits nicely on the right side.
- comment P2B12
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- As a strong Republican I voted in the Democratic primary since they let anyone vote :) Hope it helped screwed up their numbers :)
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Two words people need to keep in mind for November. Marriage Amendment.
However you feel about it, it will be on the ballot this fall and it will have an impact on the race.
Lots more fun to come in the months ahead.
Miller was the better candidate.
(1) Allen gets to stomp an anti-war John Kerry-style Republican turned Democrat
(2) Allen gets to shore up his conservative (Jeffersonian that is) credentials.
(3) Webb is a national name, and Allen beating him will be a national springboard into 2008.
(4) Webb has the worst campaign ever, and the DSCC won't give him enough to beat Allen, much less compete.
(5) This is George Allen folks -- there is no better candidate we could field in Virginia for anything. Against Webb? C'mon...
(6) And here's the best part: Webb has angered so many minority voters that Allen has a real chance of bringing the conservative message of entrepreneurship, low taxes, and free enterprise to people who otherwise may not care. We have a real shot to build a coalition folks -- breathe some new life into the conservative movement by incorporating the best ideas of the African-Americans and Hispanic communities.
I can't wait. Webb is going to be mauled by the Allen machine, and it's *not* going to be pretty.
Warm up the diesel -- Here comes the A-Team!
If you think base turnout will be a problem against GEORGE ALLEN in this electoral climate...then I don't know what to say.
I just hope more people take Webb lightly.
Republicans of all stripes are going to send Allen off in style.
You'll remember this on November 8th when Webb loses 60-40% and you're wondering what the heck happened to your momentum you had in June... the Virginia Republican Party is going to mobilize off of this election in a way you would not believe.
Get ready! The A-Team's comin'!
Second, if you think Allen is so strong, look at the few polls released in April and May that had him leading Jim Webb (who may as well be "unnamed Democrat" to many voters) by only about 7 points in a hypothetical matchup.
Allen is MUCH weaker than you guys want to believe.
But keep going with the overconfidence. Allen can stay in Iowa for 5 months and watch his Senate seat slip away. It would certainly be better for Virginia if that happened. Allen has accomplished nothing as a Senator besides going on Meet the Press and touting President "Mr. Popularity" Bush's ideas. Find me meaningful, groundbreaking legislation Allen has patroned that benefits his constituents. There ain't much of it.
But who am I to share poll numbers?
Keep dreaming folks -- Allen is invincible in Virginia. I think you guys seriously underestimate (misunderestimate?) how much Virginia Republicans are universally willing to work and work hard for George Allen.
I do not think for a minute the dems will have any problem circling the wagons with Webb.
As for us, the best thing that could happen is a poll to come out now that showed the race close.
Too many people are more worried about voting for George Allen in 2008, not 2006.
"you have no idea how the Republican Party of Virginia works"
Neither does anyone else.
You'll see plenty of people turn out to volunteer for Allen, most importantly because we all know he has presidential aspirations.
Heck, most of the GOP Women's Units will work harder for Susan than they will for George (and you know that's true, too)!
Considering all of the Military in VA, I think this is meaningful, and helpful to his constiuents.
If you would like to see more, go here:
http://allen.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=LegislativeOffice.SponsoredLegislation
Can you tell me some meaningful legislatiosn the Webb sponsered for his "folks"
At least he served in Vietnam. That will carry the day. I hope I don't hear it like I did for Kerry
My prediction: Allen 56, Webb 44
Webb is against Affirmative Action
Webb supports the don't ask don't for gays in the military.
Both Allen and Webb are probably about the same on guns rights (Webb maybe a little worse)
I don't think Webb will generate enough from his base, and the average Democrat isn't rabid on Allen as Allen isn't another "Santoum".
I found it interesting that the 15 minutes of famed latest pop stars of the sleazy political bubba gadfly scene who were in charge of the Webb campaign in the SW part of the state didn't do very well, as Harris did much better than Webb. *grin*
What the Webb people might not be aware of is that Harris Miller is actually a nice man who ran a gentleman's campaign.
Allen has the tools, the taste for blood and not to mention the incumbency.
Unless something really earth shattering happens, I will agree with Mark Gardner's numbers.
Secondly, while Ben points out that Allen isn't UBER-POPULAR (approval rating between 48% and 55%) - about 40% of his approval is STRONG approval. Republicans love George Allen. That doesn't give Democrats much wiggle room. And that's why it was important that we nominated a wedge candidate who could weaken Allen's support amongst moderates.
Finally - Shaun, your 60% prediction is frankly a bad sign for the party. If others are thinking like you, then you're in trouble.
We're talking about a landmark election where the GOP base is depressed and the Dems smell blood.
We're talking about a celebrity candidate who has proven that he can draw tons of free media.
And we're talking about a candidate who is basically a Bush clone in a state where Bush polls at 35%.
And you're telling me that George Allen will win over 15% of Kaine's voters??? Against an avowed moderate who has the right positions (for 2006) on the war and the new economy?
It's hard to believe. Webb could just put his name on the ballot, and he'd get 43%...if not more...
I think Webb will hit a really hard ceiling at about 51%, and it's going to be tough to get there. But this will be a race...
PS: John Warner is the best candidate the GOP can put up statewide, not George Allen.
I have really started to think that Va is more of a "pink" state.
I think VA really always votes in about a 60%-40% (give or take a few and depends on who is running)
I would like to see good Democrat representation from VA on The Hill, but I am not convinced Webb actually is a Democrat and George Allen doesn't offend me enough to support an iffy and questionable Dem who ran such a sleazy primary campaign.
The one thing that will bring me out to vote is to vote against the marriage amendment.
But, at this point I might just skip over voting for anyone for the senate seat.
What in the hell are you talking about?!?!?!
Webb didn't even have enough money to do what you're accusing him of...
Please tell me you're just some Republican troll...
But it's not a figment of the imagination, as can be seen by Beyer pulling the fundraiser for DSCC for their "support" of Webb in the primary.
But the democrat base can't elect a candidate in this state. They aren't the majority.
The republican base will certainly support Allen. And those who don't care about party won't vote for Webb to "stick it to the republican party".
I'm guessing 55-45, Allen, unless Webb is still as bad at this in October as he is today.
Webb isn't as good a candidate as Tim Kaine was (Are there ANY willing to argue THAT point?)
Allen is a MUCH better candidate than Kilgore was (Anybody want to argue THAT point)?
And given the multiple flaps about anti-semitism and other slurs which were (fairly or unfairly) attached to the Webb campaign, it seems the WEBB side is much more likely to end up with troubles like the "Hitler" ad of 2005 than Allen's side.
And republicans have the secret weapon of MoveOn, who is angering the military and military-supporting civilian families in the 2nd district by attacking companies that employ thousands of voters there while providing weapons and support to our troops. They can't be controlled, and they are very capable of running a "hitler" ad.
I mean, they are attacking Drake for taking some money from Halliburton when her Democrat opponent has major stock holdings in the company.
I'm going to like this race much more than I would have liked a Miller-Allen race.
If you think Webb is your dream of a real Dem candidate, then go ahead and vote for him.
But, as I told Al Eisenberg last night, I will never cast a vote for Webb.
I stand behind my principles before I stand behind a flip flop political party.
You're a "centrist"?
Well, I am a "liberal" and will not vote "centrist".
Just because some joker has a *D* next to his name does not mean I will vote for him.
If Allen went pro-gay rights, solidly pro-choice, and anti-war, I would for him.
As it is, I don't give a hoot who is running.
If they don't stand for the principles that are important to me, I won't vote for them.
Keep your party, if there is a Green Party hat in the ring, I will vote for them.
But as it stands I will be voting on and for anything and anyone else in the election, but I will not vote on the Senate seat this time around.
I am coming out to support gay marriage rights.
Webb didn't, but his blogger friends certainly had plenty of spare time.
What's that proverb about idle hands???
Yellow-mut Dixiecrats can kiss my spicy arse!
Give me the party of civil rights!
Society is getting too ugly to let it go back to the time when Democrats were once the party of hate.
NEVER AGAIN!
Robert Kennedy ran for president in 1968 on liberal values, his brother's progress and legacy, when Democrats were more about true liberalism rather than socialism at all costs.
He was speaking at a rally somewhere, and he spoke vividly of liberal values, of liberal ideals, of what it meant to be a liberal and why we should be proud to uphold liberalism in the face of opposition...
That's a leader and a party I can respect!
What do we get today? Liberal today doesn't mean what it meant 40 years ago. Would RFK or JFK look at the Democratic Party and be proud, or would the look at it and go "oh my God, what the hell happened?"
Liberalism used to mean something idealistic. Now it's been butchered and vivisected into some mealymouth "progressive" label bent on stereotyping into "them" and "us" -- the exact opposite of what Kennedy and MLK Jr. envisioned.
Liberalism used to be in the tradition of Disraeli and Jefferson. Liberalism by definition meant freedom, but not license and certainly not a government telling people what was and what was not moral.
Has anyone here seen my old friend John? Can you tell me where he's gone?
Isis:
You are not a Democrat. You have no business even speaking to a great guy like Al Eisenberg, let alone claiming to be a democrat.
Anyone who even contemplates voting for the Green party is not a Democrat. All 1.1% of you...
Now, I am watching those rights being taken away from my daughter's future.
I will not be bashful about blaming you Repubs for much of this.
But, it is even more of a smack in the face when your own party will turn their back on it's base to play finger in the wind just because they want to play count the D's.
Those D's mean NOTHING if that *D* will not support everything MLK, JFK and the feminist movement stood for.
And let me throw this into the mix for good measure....what did those *D's* do when Roberts and Alito were being wisked into their nominations with no voice on The Hill to stand up for those of us who have worked so hard for those civil rights???
I am supposed to trust some clown who has a hardcore record of supporting Republicans who had records of being anti-choice, anti-gay and minority rights and pro-war?
WHY??
Is just having that *D* in office the goal when our voices and concerns don't mean squat??
Gotta stand for something. That's why Dems running to the middle screaming are so fun to watch. They quit their principles, and voters punished them accordingly.
Now, bankrupt and adrift, they look for something else to hang their hat on, desperate for any victory whatsoever.
And that's how Republicans like Webb win Democratic nominations for U.S. Senate.
I guess you are walking talking proof that the Democrat party of Va has become a terrible atmosphere.
I have known Al for years and I had helped out with my photography services for no charge to Democrat campaigns who stand for what I believe.
So, basically, I will vote, call myself and talk to whoever and whatever I choose without some brainwashed party animal trying to bully me otherwise.
Those 4 points alone will carry the day.
If it was Warner running this year, I would not vote for him based on his vote of the amnesty bill the senate passed. I'm actually never going to vote for him again. That issue is too important to me.
I still haven't forgiven Barry Bonds for chocking in the Playoffs and handing the games to the Braves. I've never forgiven O'donnell for throwing 2 int's in the SB vs the Cowboys.
I'm certainly not going to get over handing the keys of the city to neighbors who tresspass. Allen rightfully is for enforcement force.
Talk all you want, but this WILL be a major issue in November. The Conservative Republicans better stand up and get thier message out. If we lose a few RINO's along the way. Good. They don't deserve the *R*
Screw'm
If Webb tanks then good, so be it.
I call that a good message to the party that we won't stand for this nonsense.
Si Se Puede!!
Reforma Migratoria Ahora!!
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*smooooch*
No one has ever used things like George's vote against the Federal Family Leave Act and his veto of consumer and safety laws as Governor against him effectively. This stuff can be used to drive the gender gap. Perhaps Webb will be smart enough not to focus all his energy on white men and will talk directly to women voters.
The so-called marriage amendment is overrated for its turnout potential for Allen. Folks get that there are many more important issues right now, and Allen's stuck with defending a poor record on many of them (security included). I think the time when you can wind up zealots and win an election may be over. Virginians are again about one third D's, one third R's and one third I's. Hate to disappoint you partisans, but it's the Independents who will decide this election as they did in Kaine's race.
And, I personally know a number of moderate R's who went to the polls yesterday to vote for Webb so that they'd have someone to vote for other than Allen. That will probably make Isis crazy but the fact is that right or left of center is what wins elections. Swing too far one way or the other and you lose.
George is in for a bumpy ride. You all have defined anything over 40% for Webb as victory.
If we run a liberal candidate, then we're a bit out of place.
I know you hate the idea of moderate candidates, but this is a conservative state. In that sense, Webb fits in on the left side of the debate, while Allen fits nicely on the right side.
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