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- They keep this up and soon they'll piss off the wrong people. Let's see how long it takes for them to tick off the IRA. I'd put my money on them any day vs. al Qaeda.
- comment Shaun Kenney
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- IRA vs. al-Qaeda? I like it!
It'll never happen (Provo and Real IRA members have been helping FARC, ETA, and HAMAS for years), but it'd make one heck of a movie!
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- Yeah, it reminds me of my anabaptist forefathers who were brutally murdered for believing that people should be baptized upon repentence of their sins.
Kinda reminds me of the murder of Stephen.
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- Shaun, it has a lot to do with Muslims and Christians. Christendom has had a Renaissance, Reformation and Enlightenment. In the US, we have had 3 Great Awakenings that served as syncretic adaptations of religion and science/social science. Islam has had none of this.
Martin Luther would have been burned at the stake, if he were caught, for drawing pictures of the Pope playing a musical horn from his butt - then. Tdoay, Catholics would cluck at such a cartoon and raise an eyebrow.
Islam doesn't have any concept of religious freedom. They are 800 years behind the West.
The Romans were only 300 years behind the Greeks, when the Greeks sniffed that they were barbarians - and the Romans conquered them.
The Goths, Visigoths, Alimanni(sp) etc were only 600 years behind the Romans as barbarians when they conquered Rome.
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- Yeah, what he said.
And I believe that the murder of my protestant forefathers was "holy" Roman Catholic Church policy.....
- comment Shaun Kenney
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- Interesting point about the Great Awakenings... Europe has never had one apart from the "Catholic Restoration" during the 1840's.
Religious toleration is indeed the centerpiece. The Christian West understands what it means and practices it. Of course, it's always fun to explain this to our secular counterparts and watch their eyes fall out of their heads... as if Christian thought could *ever* be tolerant!
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- And I believe that the murder of my protestant forefathers was "holy" Roman Catholic Church policy...
Would that be any different than boatloads of Virginians coming across the Potomac to kill Catholics in Maryland?
Or NINA laws?
Or the Know Nothing Party?
Or Freemasonry today?
Gotta think it through, republitarian. No one organization has a monopoly on living what Christ taught, though there are many examples on both sides.
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- I guess you just proved that NO church is preserved from error. I'm glad that you have conceded that the Catholic church does not have a strangle hold on truth.
I'm glad you have come to that conclusion on you own...
You're the MAN.
- comment Shaun Kenney
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- Ah, but you're committing the logical fallacy of hasty generalization my friend.
Actions can be fallible.
Specific teachings are not (unless you'd like to proffer the argument that Jesus was not God... I leave that to your conscience).
The argument you are making would seem to suggenst that the Bible is not God's Word at all, since people do despicable things in it's name.
I know that's not what you're suggesting, but the ordering of your logic could lead one to that conclusion... don't assume too much!!!
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- Oh no, the interpretation is faulty, not God's word. When one group thinks they have it all figured out, then use deadly force to make sure everyone believes that way, I would say they aren't interpreting things correctly.
Would you say the Catholic church is error free as it relates to ALL their doctrine?
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- All? Of course not.
But I do believe that some of the teachings of the Church that are not explicity within the Bible - the Trinity of God, Purgatory, and the Immaculate Conception - are infallible and will not change because they are true.
- comment republitarian
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- Purgatory?
What's that? Got some scripture reference?
Oh...I know!!!
That's the place that if your family pays enough money to the priest, they'll be nice and "pray" your way out.
Sounds like a scam to me....
- comment Shaun Kenney
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- Are you asking me a question about purgatory?
Or are you slamming a straw man?
- comment republitarian
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- Please explain Purgatory, I always thought it was a way for the church to take money from suckers.
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It'll never happen (Provo and Real IRA members have been helping FARC, ETA, and HAMAS for years), but it'd make one heck of a movie!
Kinda reminds me of the murder of Stephen.
Martin Luther would have been burned at the stake, if he were caught, for drawing pictures of the Pope playing a musical horn from his butt - then. Tdoay, Catholics would cluck at such a cartoon and raise an eyebrow.
Islam doesn't have any concept of religious freedom. They are 800 years behind the West.
The Romans were only 300 years behind the Greeks, when the Greeks sniffed that they were barbarians - and the Romans conquered them.
The Goths, Visigoths, Alimanni(sp) etc were only 600 years behind the Romans as barbarians when they conquered Rome.
And I believe that the murder of my protestant forefathers was "holy" Roman Catholic Church policy.....
Religious toleration is indeed the centerpiece. The Christian West understands what it means and practices it. Of course, it's always fun to explain this to our secular counterparts and watch their eyes fall out of their heads... as if Christian thought could *ever* be tolerant!
Would that be any different than boatloads of Virginians coming across the Potomac to kill Catholics in Maryland?
Or NINA laws?
Or the Know Nothing Party?
Or Freemasonry today?
Gotta think it through, republitarian. No one organization has a monopoly on living what Christ taught, though there are many examples on both sides.
I'm glad you have come to that conclusion on you own...
You're the MAN.
Actions can be fallible.
Specific teachings are not (unless you'd like to proffer the argument that Jesus was not God... I leave that to your conscience).
The argument you are making would seem to suggenst that the Bible is not God's Word at all, since people do despicable things in it's name.
I know that's not what you're suggesting, but the ordering of your logic could lead one to that conclusion... don't assume too much!!!
Would you say the Catholic church is error free as it relates to ALL their doctrine?
But I do believe that some of the teachings of the Church that are not explicity within the Bible - the Trinity of God, Purgatory, and the Immaculate Conception - are infallible and will not change because they are true.
What's that? Got some scripture reference?
Oh...I know!!!
That's the place that if your family pays enough money to the priest, they'll be nice and "pray" your way out.
Sounds like a scam to me....
Or are you slamming a straw man?
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